| John Murtha has become a rallying point for antiwar Democrats, much in the same mold as John "I was in Vietnam" Kerry. Should we put more weight on a politician's words simply because they fought in war? Maybe, maybe not. Here's a great article on why the Murtha Democrats are full of it. |
posted by Chucko at 11:17 AM
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post a commentHow about Martin van Creveld, professor of Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel's most prominent military historian.
http://www.forward.com/articles/6936
"For misleading the American people, and launching the most foolish war since Emperor Augustus in 9 B.C sent his legions into Germany and lost them, Bush deserves to be impeached and, once he has been removed from office, put on trial along with the rest of the president's men. If convicted, they'll have plenty of time to mull over their sins."
Yep, everything you need to know about Martin van Creveld can be found right here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_van_Creveld
He's a partisan, has never liked Bush, and has never been supportive of the United States. You are correct in stating that he declared the liberation of Iraq the greatest military blunder in 2014 years. This, of course, would make it a bigger blunder than Operation Barbarossa, launched by Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany on 06/22/1941 during which over 1,000,000,000 German soldiers were lost in combat.
First term casualties under recent presidents during war and peacetime, up to the end of President GW Bush's first term:
George W. Bush.....5187 (2001-2004)
Bill Clinton......4302(1993-1996)
George H.W. Bush....6223(1989-1992)
Ronald Reagan......9163(1981-1984)
Anyone can make blustery claims without backing them up, even Israel's most "prominent" military historian. This guy, who was born in Denmark and currently lives in Israel, thinks President GW Bush of the United States should be put on trial (and found guilty even before they sit before a jury). Sounds to me like a bad international case of BDS. For a more lengthy treatise on van Creveld's article, see here:
http://socalpundit.com/blog/index.php/2005/11/29/run/
Regardless, I have to go to bed. Why you chose van Creveld as your subject I do not know, as he seems to be in the same mold as Murtha on this topic.
I initially had rejected Minh's latest comment, as I feel any comparison of George W. Bush to Adolf Hitler is completely out of bounds and beyond the realm of good taste. Such a reference lowers the dialogue. Having a degree in History with a focus on German history, the Holocaust, and WWII it's particularly offensive to me. I'm posting this as an example to individuals who may post in the future of what will be rejected. More specifically, insulting me, making ridiculous assertions that devalue genocide, or just generally trolling around.
*Post from Minh*
You judge the foolishness/justness of a war on the number of casualties?
You take the 2,320 US casualties, and 16,653 injured, and 10's of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths, and the hundreds of billions of dollars in cost of the Iraqi war and weight that against how utterly senseless this war is. That's foolishness.
But I'll give you Hitler. It's a toss up whether Hitler or Bush is a worse leader. Hitler-Bush, Bush-Hitler. It's a tough call.
This all might sound like I'm anti-Bush presidency. I'm really not. The first term was probably inevitable. I actually wanted the 2nd term. It goes to remove all doubts that Bush is now the worse president the US has ever had.
Anyway, to answer the one valid question in that post, no. The justness of any war is not based on casualty counts. You see, I was referencing the very first line in van Creveld's screed and pointing out how ridiculous it is:
'The number of American casualties in Iraq is now well more than 2,000, and there is no end in sight."
It's interesting that you've lowered the dialogue to that spewing forth from MoveOn, Kos, and Cindy Sheehan. This filth is almost entirely what the campaign of 2004 was all about, so keep it up!