Thursday, May 04, 2006

Voice of the Faithful is a thinly veiled attempt to take over the American Catholic Church by a small group of laypersons somewhere in New England. What this group lacks in size and brainpower however, it makes up for in pure comedic value.

Here's a post by Closed Cafeteria on the issue.

I'll write more later, work beckons.

Update 05/05/06:

Here's a good article on this group:

But make no mistake, VOTF is a wolf in sheep's clothing. And it's using this tragedy in our Church to advance its own political and theological agenda.

Catholic Culture
My initial thought was a question: Why did VOTF — a self-proclaimed non-ideological group — invite a liberation theologian to address and instruct its members?

Diocese of Bridgeport

From the VOTF site:
Banned by Bishop Gerry in Portland, ME. Banned by Bishop Lori in Bridgeport, CT. Banned by Bishop Murphy in Rockville Centre, NY. Banned by Bishop Daly in Brooklyn, NY. Banned by Bishop Meyers in Newark, NJ. Banned by Bishop DiMarzio in Camden, NJ. Banned by Bishop Vasa in Baker, OR. And, frozen - meaning no new affiliates may be formed - in Boston, MA, by Cardinal Law.
So I ask... why would this organization be banned by so many diocese? It's not because they seek to "reform" the church, it is because they seek to subvert the leadership and destroy the church from within. Allowing VOTF to continue becoming a more powerful force would be akin to electing several al Quaeda terrorists to the U.S. Congress. It's pointless and counterproductive.

Comments on "VotF"


Anonymous Theo said ... (3:50 PM) : 

You thought that was worth linking to?
A few sentences taken out of context followed by a "snappy" comeback?
What else are you reading throughout the day? And what exactly is wrong with reforming the Catholic church?

It's SUPPOSED to change with the times. Learned that in Theology 101 at Xavier University, I did - from the guy who is now the Vice President for Mission & Ministry.

Oh, wait - I'm sorry. Jesuits aren't REAL Catholics. How silly of me.


Blogger Dave Oatney said ... (10:23 PM) : 

No-just SOME Jesuits aren't.


Blogger Chucko said ... (10:15 AM) : 

Theo, I've replied on the main post. Reform is relative. We could reform the U.S. to a strict Sharia law based system, does that necessarily mean it's a good thing? I know several individuals that went to XU, those that were devout Catholics typically were offended by the brazen views of some of the clergy.

At one point, when I was considering entering the priesthood, the order I most wanted to be a part of was the Society of Jesus. I respect and admire their devotion to enlightenment through academia. I do not admire nor respect SOME Jesuit's desire to destroy any structure within the Holy Mother Church.

Personally, I'd like to see the Church reformed to include many more Latin masses. I don't agree with some that the Novus Ordo is invalid or liturgically incorrect, however, the outright banning of the Latin mass goes against the spirit of Vatican II.


Anonymous Theo said ... (2:31 PM) : 

Dead languages should only be used in crappy Mel Gibson movies.

The far-right kids at XU (and they're still there today) cause consistent headaches for the staff, because they are fanatical about things like that.

I fail to see how women and/or married priests would be a detriment to the Catholic church. It would drive the hard-right away, which would be a good thing. Let them have their own cultish services where no one knows what anyone is saying.

Faith without deeds is dead. You can't pretend you're open-minded and deliberately ban people from participating.


Blogger Chucko said ... (3:30 PM) : 

Ahhh... rather than debating the merits of the Latin mass, you've chosen to attack a Mel Gibson movie. Fair enough.

Is there a particular group of "far-right kids" at XU which cause headaches? How do they go about causing these headaches? I'm sure any devout Catholics at XU would be considered "far-right" by most standards of the Jesuit university.

Regarding female ordination, this is the reason the Church lacks the authority to make this change.

Can you tell me how people are banned from participating? Simply because you cannot hold a certain role within the Church does not mean that you cannot participate. The Church has never pretended to be a democracy. There are absolute laws that must be followed.


Anonymous Theo said ... (12:34 AM) : 

You can find a verse in the Bible to justify just about anything.

In Catholicism's case, it's using it to maintain the old patriarchy. Pretty sad. Just one of the reasons I never fully bought into the church.


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